Over the years
of having discussions online and encountering a lot of strategies practiced by
religious believers of all stripes, I’ve found that probably the most annoying
strategies come from religious believers who have come up with elaborate
justifications for their brand of jibber-jabber.
Read on for a discussion of the problem with such elaborate justifications.
Frequently, the kind of religious believer who trots out such disingenuous justifications is the kind who appeals to “philosophy.” Now, the word philosophy means, of course, “love of wisdom,” and it traditionally refers to the study of fundamental questions about reality, the mind, human experience, etc. It deals with the way that humans know things, how we draw conclusions, specific conclusions about the world around us, and much more. In a sense, all of our knowledge – all of the practical scientific disciplines, for example – can be considered branches of philosophy, for the foundation of rational inquiry into the world was laid by people who began by asking how we do (and how we should) go about making such inquiries. [This is, of course, not to say that humans weren’t making discoveries about the world since the dawn of time: but my point is that the formal application of science can be considered an offshoot of the philosophical systems of thought that preceded it]
So far, so good.
As it goes, there’s certainly nothing wrong with philosophy, in the sense of
being the study of such fundamental questions. However, there is a tendency
among some “philosophers” not to study reality but to study amusing word games.
The (so-called) philosophical “field” of theology, for example, is rife with
such games. To take the famous example of Anselm’s Ontological Argument:
1) God is defined
as a being of which no greater being could be conceived.
2) Existence is
greater than non-existence.3) Therefore, God must possess the characteristic of “existence” (otherwise, God wouldn’t be the greatest possible being of which we could conceive…but since he is [see (1), above] he must, by definition, possess “existence” as a characteristic).
4) Therefore, God
exists.
See that?
Amusing! It’s like one of those riddles you learn as a child, where you think
yourself so clever for figuring out a really entertaining way of playing with
words.
Of course, any
reader with more than two brain cells will have already figured out that the
“Ontological Argument” – and other, similar word games – is complete and utter
bullshit. For obvious starters, we can’t create a being by defining it into
existence. After all, just because a person can construct a valid logical
syllogism, that doesn’t mean that the syllogism is based on true premises or maps to anything
actually existing. Indeed, the soundness of the Ontological argument’s premises
is definitely in question. God is a being of which no greater being could be
conceived? Says who? What if God is incredibly humble, like the Tao, and has no
problem admitting to being not-so-great? To point to another problem, what
about the dubious claim that existence is greater than non-existence? Again,
says who? Think of how “great” it would be for a being to be able to create a
whole universe while not existing! It
may be that non-existence is a far greater
state.
For those who
are still not convinced, let’s try modifying the words of this “proof”
slightly:
1) “My lottery
victory” is defined as a lottery victory happening to me of which no greater
lottery victory happening to me can be conceived.
2) Existence is
greater than non-existence.
3) “My lottery
victory” must therefore possess the characteristic of existence.
4) Therefore, I won
the lottery.
And, just to be
clear, no, I haven’t won the lottery. Defining things as existent in no way
means that they actually do exist,
which is the whole point I was just making.
Anyway, as you
can see, this particular word game comes apart at the seams with only the
slightest investigation…but it’s a fun word game, for sure. And, actually, as
far as it goes, I have nothing against people entertaining themselves or even
making professional careers out of analysing word games like these. Such games
may well teach us something interesting about the way our minds work, the way
language works, the tricks that we use to deceive ourselves, etc.
But I do have
something against people taking these word games and using them to distract
themselves from subjects under discussion, and I definitely have something
against people using nonsense word games as a smoke screen for defending their
poorly-thought-through ideas.
More often than
not, religious believers who have studied philosophy and who rely on it in
argumentation are insufferable clods who make conversation nearly impossible by
bogging it down in distractionary dreck.
Equivocation is
a common technique used by these people. For example, if I say that “Santa
Claus isn’t real,” it’s perfectly obvious what I mean, but religious believers
often insist on equivocating on the meaning of “real.” I have, in the past, had
online discussions with religious believers (including Christians, mind you),
who have argued fiercely about the meaning of “real.” It is not uncommon to
argue with such people for several pages of a discussion thread about the
question of whether a fictional character, like Santa, is “real” in some sense
or another. The game seems to be that if they can establish that “real” is
ultimately indistinguishable from “make believe,” then nobody has any grounds
to “disprove” their retarded fantasies about gods or magic powers or whatever.
It’s particularly brutal when discussing these subjects with dumbasses who have
imbibed a little bit of Thelemic thought: “Truth is what works!” they’ll claim,
ignorant of the fact that one has to first establish that something actually
does “work” to begin with before making this claim (along with the fact that it
is impossible to establish whether something works if it is impossible to distinguish between
reality and make believe).
This is what I
mean by the title of my post: religious believers sometimes learn a little
philosophy – that is, they learn a little bit about playing really silly word
games – and it’s dangerous because it feeds into their ability to talk
themselves into believing insane nonsense.
When we turn
toward a group of religious believers known as occultists – and a certain
subset who practice a supernaturalist religion loosely based on Thelema which
they insist on describing as “Thelema” – we find a particular tendency to
insist, nearly as a point of dogma, almost as a point of pride, on their
inability to distinguish reality from fantasy.
I’ve seen these
kinds of religious dumbasses sincerely argue that they don’t know what the
difference is between reality and imagination. I’ve had imbeciles pester me for
definitions” of “real” and “imaginary,” eager to shoot down any definitions as
“circular” or “incomplete,” apparently unaware that any and all definitions can be so designated by someone interested in
playing word games instead of discussing the subjects under discussion.Recently, over at Lashtal.com, I got into a discussion with someone interested in talking about a “fully worked out naturalistic framework for Thelema.” He also made a number of strange comments, including that “I’m not sure it would be trivially easy [to distinguish between reality and fantasy], as you [Los] say.” In response to my (hopefully) uncontroversial claim that a person totally incapable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality is sick in the head, he said that I was “begging the question.” And other weird things.
I’m not going to
call this guy a dumbass because I think he just honestly hadn’t been exposed
(before speaking to me) to the point of view that philosophy, in the form of
using wordgames to confuse oneself, is inane and stupid.
I don’t have a
strict “framework” in the sense of precisely-defined nifty word-games that are
immune to other reductio-ad-absurdum word games of the sort that the
“philosophical” love to play.
My approach to
Thelema is predicated on the ability of a person to distinguish (the kind of
thing we commonly call) reality from (the kind of thing we commonly call)
fantasy. That’s it. One doesn’t need precise definitions of “reality” or
“fantasy” to do this. Every single person does this every single day. Right
now, you – and by “you,” I mean “the person reading this post” – are capable of
distinguishing your experience of reading these words from your thoughts about
these words and the images that they’re generating. You’re capable of
distinguishing a real conversation you have with a friend from your feelings
about that conversation and the internal narrative that gets generated on the
back of those feelings. You’re capable of distinguishing your experience of
yourself in a given moment from the way you think about yourself (and the
entire narrative you’ve spun about the “kind of person you are”). You’re capable
of distinguishing a bus coming down the road from a daydream you have about a
bus coming down the road.
The kinds of
things discussed in the above paragraph are broken down into two categories
(things we can conventionally call “real” and “imaginary”). It’s trivially easy
to distinguish between these categories, yet for many people, it becomes
difficult to separate out, for example, one’s thoughts about oneself from one’s
experience of that self in the moment. Hence, the whole need for Thelema. Thelemic
practice, then, consists of developing one’s
natural, everyday ability to distinguish between real things and fantasy
things. The primary way of developing this ability is the training of the mind
to pay better attention to what’s going on, and one of the many ways to do this
is to gain elementary magical experience.
The problem, of
course, is that most people who get into the “occult” treat magick as an excuse
to engage in mental masturbation. They want to pretend that they’re really
chatting to demon buddies or really contacting space aliens by concentrating
hard on a crappy painting or really “influencing reality” by blowing their load
on an awful drawing or really attaining anything at all by going on guided
imagination exercises.
These things
are, of course, all just examples of playing make believe, but someone who
insists that it’s impossible to distinguish make believe from reality will
insist that these things are “just as real” as doing anything else and as long
as they (subjectively seem to) “work,” then they must be just as “true” as the
discoveries of science. After all, these idiots ineptly reason, all science
does is come up with “models,” and all people do is come up with “models,” and
all models are constructs of the mind, but hey, reality is a “construct of the
mind,” so all models must be true, so even the most absurd magick-fantasies are
just as true as science! So suck on that, Mr. “Scientist”! We don’t need your
books and hard work…we’ve got the awesome power of make believe and pretending
that it’s reality!
What a complete
load of crapola.
Anyway, I’m
publishing below an edited version of my post on Lashtal that addresses this
point and indicates, in a little more detail, exactly what’s wrong with
confusing oneself with philosophy, in the negative sense that I’ve been talking
about. Enjoy.
A little philosophy can be a dangerous thing,
primarily because the field of philosophy, oftentimes, seems less to be the
“study of knowledge” than it is the study of amusing word games that serve to
conceal, rather than reveal, what’s actually going on.
In the above conversation on this discussion thread, the other poster said that it seemed to be “begging the question” to say that I’m able to distinguish between real things and imaginary things without rigorously defining the terms “real” and “imaginary.” That is to say, if I claimed that the goblin I’m picturing in my mind is imaginary, without a strict and rigorous definition of “imaginary,” this other poster might say I’m begging the question. Now, “begging the question” is a logical fallacy that means that an argument assumes something it’s trying to demonstrate: so the other poster would be saying, in that specific example, that the statement “The goblin I’m picturing in my mind is imaginary” must be one of my premises, that I’m defining the goblin as imaginary without providing a reason to conclude that it is (since I don’t provide a rigorous definition of “imaginary” by which we could judge the goblins to be so). Thus, as a result, the conclusion that “The goblin I’m picturing is imaginary” begs the question and fails to actually demonstrate that the goblin is, in fact, imaginary.
Here’s the problem with the above. By playing a similar amusing word game, one can demonstrate that making any claim whatsoever is “begging the question.” For example: take the claim “This is a hat” Very well, but if one is to make this claim, one must have a precise definition of “hat” (otherwise one is begging the question). And how do we define “hat”? A shaped covering for the head. Very well, but one must have precise definitions of covering and head (otherwise one is begging the question). And how do we define covering? A thing used to cover something else, typically to protect or conceal it. And how do we define head? The upper part of the human body, or the front or upper part of the body of an animal, typically separated from the rest of the body by a neck, and containing the brain, mouth, and sense organs. Very well, but one must have precise definitions of thing, to cover, to protect, to conceal, upper, part, human, body, animal…
Etc., etc.. On and on and on. We could obviously keep going until we eventually got a word that was in one of the definitions earlier, and we could thereby “prove” that our definition of “hat” is circular and that we don’t have a good definition of “hat” and that therefore the statement that “This is a hat” is not a valid claim after all since it begs the question (because we don’t have a rigorous, clear definition of “hat” that doesn’t involve circular definitions).
But there’s one huge problem with the above: we certainly can identify a hat when we see one, and identifying a hat does not depend in any way on having a rigorous definition that doesn’t “beg the question.”
And in just the same way that we can reliably identify a hat as such, we can reliably identify an imaginary thing as such.
Certainly, a person can use an amusing word game to “prove” that we can’t identify a particular thing – just as a person can use math to “prove” that walking across a room is impossible – but in fact, such “proofs” address one particular idea of how identifying works, one that doesn’t map to the way that identifying actually works in the real world.
In large part, the philosophical tendency to concentrate on word games reiterates a similar tendency revealed during the debate between Erwin Hessle and Ian Rons a few years ago on these forums over the question of knowledge [link]: Ian argued that knowledge is “impossible,” and Erwin correctly observed that Ian’s critique was aimed at one particular idea of knowledge, one that doesn’t map to the way that knowledge actually works in the real world.
As ever, the problem is that philosophy tends to pay attention to its own little word games instead of bothering to observe how things actually do work: pretty much nobody in the real world identifies anything by coming up with a rigorous definition and forming precise, airtight syllogisms. To criticize the process of identifying on the basis that it doesn’t form a precise, airtight syllogism is to miss the boat entirely, to critique one’s own “fancy picture” of identification while ignoring how it actually works in the real world.
This problem actually replicates in miniature form the error that Thelema sets out to help an individual resolve: an individual, Thelema teaches, spends all of his time preoccupied not with reality (particularly the reality of his own Nature), but instead with his (usually faulty) ideas about reality. In a similar way, students of philosophy can sometimes spend all of their time preoccupied not with the reality of [the particular matter under discussion] but with their idea of the matter under discussion (or their idea of how it should work).
In the above conversation on this discussion thread, the other poster said that it seemed to be “begging the question” to say that I’m able to distinguish between real things and imaginary things without rigorously defining the terms “real” and “imaginary.” That is to say, if I claimed that the goblin I’m picturing in my mind is imaginary, without a strict and rigorous definition of “imaginary,” this other poster might say I’m begging the question. Now, “begging the question” is a logical fallacy that means that an argument assumes something it’s trying to demonstrate: so the other poster would be saying, in that specific example, that the statement “The goblin I’m picturing in my mind is imaginary” must be one of my premises, that I’m defining the goblin as imaginary without providing a reason to conclude that it is (since I don’t provide a rigorous definition of “imaginary” by which we could judge the goblins to be so). Thus, as a result, the conclusion that “The goblin I’m picturing is imaginary” begs the question and fails to actually demonstrate that the goblin is, in fact, imaginary.
Here’s the problem with the above. By playing a similar amusing word game, one can demonstrate that making any claim whatsoever is “begging the question.” For example: take the claim “This is a hat” Very well, but if one is to make this claim, one must have a precise definition of “hat” (otherwise one is begging the question). And how do we define “hat”? A shaped covering for the head. Very well, but one must have precise definitions of covering and head (otherwise one is begging the question). And how do we define covering? A thing used to cover something else, typically to protect or conceal it. And how do we define head? The upper part of the human body, or the front or upper part of the body of an animal, typically separated from the rest of the body by a neck, and containing the brain, mouth, and sense organs. Very well, but one must have precise definitions of thing, to cover, to protect, to conceal, upper, part, human, body, animal…
Etc., etc.. On and on and on. We could obviously keep going until we eventually got a word that was in one of the definitions earlier, and we could thereby “prove” that our definition of “hat” is circular and that we don’t have a good definition of “hat” and that therefore the statement that “This is a hat” is not a valid claim after all since it begs the question (because we don’t have a rigorous, clear definition of “hat” that doesn’t involve circular definitions).
But there’s one huge problem with the above: we certainly can identify a hat when we see one, and identifying a hat does not depend in any way on having a rigorous definition that doesn’t “beg the question.”
And in just the same way that we can reliably identify a hat as such, we can reliably identify an imaginary thing as such.
Certainly, a person can use an amusing word game to “prove” that we can’t identify a particular thing – just as a person can use math to “prove” that walking across a room is impossible – but in fact, such “proofs” address one particular idea of how identifying works, one that doesn’t map to the way that identifying actually works in the real world.
In large part, the philosophical tendency to concentrate on word games reiterates a similar tendency revealed during the debate between Erwin Hessle and Ian Rons a few years ago on these forums over the question of knowledge [link]: Ian argued that knowledge is “impossible,” and Erwin correctly observed that Ian’s critique was aimed at one particular idea of knowledge, one that doesn’t map to the way that knowledge actually works in the real world.
As ever, the problem is that philosophy tends to pay attention to its own little word games instead of bothering to observe how things actually do work: pretty much nobody in the real world identifies anything by coming up with a rigorous definition and forming precise, airtight syllogisms. To criticize the process of identifying on the basis that it doesn’t form a precise, airtight syllogism is to miss the boat entirely, to critique one’s own “fancy picture” of identification while ignoring how it actually works in the real world.
This problem actually replicates in miniature form the error that Thelema sets out to help an individual resolve: an individual, Thelema teaches, spends all of his time preoccupied not with reality (particularly the reality of his own Nature), but instead with his (usually faulty) ideas about reality. In a similar way, students of philosophy can sometimes spend all of their time preoccupied not with the reality of [the particular matter under discussion] but with their idea of the matter under discussion (or their idea of how it should work).
Well put. I would say perfect conclusion but perfect is ill defined at this point.
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